[3dom]

As a joke, this was brought up in-game last session. Not being it a bad idea, I followed though. The results are as follows:

Four-Weapon Fighting (General)

With an ally or co-operative NPC, you may attack others with (effectively) four weapons in one turn!

Prerequisite: Two-Weapon Fighting, an ally or co-operative NPC who can be lifted as a light load (who must also have Two-Weapon Fighting)

Benefit: You can lift and use lighter charecters than yourself as a weapon, and be in the same round when attacking. An allied PC that wants to be used as a weapon means that no grapple check needs be made, nor any of the usual procedure, bar an attack action(but of course, no AC, no damage dealt, just an action used). The picked up charecter can use two one-handed weapons while the carrier can equip one and the PC. Unarmed strikes can be used as a second, but not as a third weapon used by the carrier. The carried deals 1d4 if small, 1d6 if medium (all bludgeoning, no matter what they wear) , plus strength modifier. Half of the damage dealt is dealt to the lifted, because of their bracing before-hand. The range of the wielded charecters weapons is increased by 5ft. When either one wants to stop the Four-Weapon fighting, it takes a full round action.

Normal: The charecter being used takes damage equal to the amount dealt, and you cannot use any other weapons with the ally.

Special: The charecter being held may use a one-handed range weapon and another, such as a dagger, but cannot reload it manually.

So? Tell me what you think. This will never see use in any campaign, but hey. Nor is the "Speak Languages" skill.

P.S: No offence to halflings ,gnomes ,kobolds and other small classes. Keep up the good work.
Also, no offence to Bards either.

[Rintaran]

It's original, I'll give you that. But I don't think it'd be effective.

First, the creature being held would use its own attack bonuses in it's two attacks. Their accuracy would be reduced greatly because they are essentially "held". This means they can's zig and zag through combat, or pick the juicy places to strike (meaning no crits). Additionally, they can only hit the same creature that they're being bashed into, and since they're being used in this way, they should take an equivalent (not half) amount of damage that their being bashed into something deals, and they should take that damage regardless of whether the creature is actually damaged (if attack roll beat 10+dex of target, you hit them, but didn't damage them. Most AC, for warrior types, is not to see if you hit, but to see if you get through their armor). Getting slammed into a sheet of metal hurts, and can easily break bones. A walking sheet of metal isn't all that different.

Additionally, I think you're having them deal too much damage. A PC/NPC is not a normal weapon that anyone could just pick up. This feat seems to be along the lines of, say, exotic weapon proficiency (live creature). It allows you to use the weapon. But I would probably tone down the dice. 1d4 for small, 1d6 for medium.

The load of the lifted individual should be altered based on their weight and the weight of all the equipment they're carrying. This will probably incur a greater encumbrance pentalty than a light load.

Also, they would count as a medium-weapon at the least.

All in all, I'd say it's a very ineffective, strategically unwise, and not really much good for game use.

[Dthclaw]

As far as mechanics go, Rin hit it on the head.

On the other hand, it is fairly amusing (hate to break it to you, but you're far from the first to come up with this kind of thing). I know a player that made a regular habit of using bodies, living or dead, as his improvised weapons.

[Jimp]

I agree with Rin mechanically.
It would make some interesting role-play choices though. A duo who trust eachother so much that they alow one to use the other as a weapon.
Also, I think this overlaps a bit with the paladin using the archon as a meat shield/holy greatclub

[3dom]

It may seem to be a bad idea at first, but it can be stratigically useful. The held does not have to be awake, they can be paralized or , as another use, a charecter may have a really good dex and get their turn faster together. And, this feat is made for bigger, stronger, generally more chaotic and/or evil races/classes. I find it hard to argue with Rin in any way, shape, or forum (the best pun I have, so I decided I would use it.), so I wont. All of my posts are first drafts unless I say otherwise. And then it gets edited, but anyway.

[Raven Bloodmoon]

Oh yes. Now my paladin CAN use his hound archon cohort as a +1 holy greatclub.

[super sorcerer]

For an archon hound weapon, does'nt the archon hound need to have the multiattack feat in order to attack hifself (instead of two-weapon fighting)?

[Raven Bloodmoon]

Allow me to link you, my dear, misguided friend....

[Rintaran]

super sorcerer, on May 14 2006, 12:25 PM, said:

For an archon hound weapon, does'nt the archon hound need to have the multiattack feat in order to attack hifself (instead of two-weapon fighting)?

He wouldn't because he's not attacking. He's the weapon, not the weilder. He's a baseball bat, not a squirming creature weilding several weapons who is going to be bashed into someone, as well as try to hit them himself...

[super sorcerer]

An archon hound as a club is one thing (a very nice idea) but this feat is about the held creature attacking with weapons (or I didn't understand this feat correctly). so if you want to use an archon hound then you must have weapon proficiency (good outsiders) if you don't want to suffer from nonproficiency penalty. Here the held object attack himself so he is the one who need to be proficient in the weapons he is holding.