[Shadowkami]

You could have special paint, that whatever you paint becomes real for the painter and only the painter.

[Lyinginbedmon]

That would be a pretty wierd magical item though, what would it help if it only happened for the pai-

Actually, I'm going to stop there

[Shadowkami]

you could create portals, weapons that could only be used by the painter and hundreds of other things

[Jimp]

"I'll paint a +10000 sword of ultimate destruction, how long does it take?"
"4 years"
"Oh awesome, time to start adventuring again"

I dunno, a paint that would create anything even if only the painter could use it seems a tad unfair. If it had limits like only having the effects of minor presdigitations, summon instrument and other similar spells it would probably be fine.

[Shadowkami]

yeah, i suppose

[blacxthornE]

well it doesn't have to be *that* unfair. something that is real only for the painter, is something that does not affect anyone else. even if the painter had the +10000 sword of ultimate destruction, it wouldn't hurt, or even touch any other creature. it wouldn't even be seen.

what does it do then? well, everything that is sufficient if only affects the painter... for example:

a lamp that lights the painter's way. the light cannot be seen by any other creature so it's still dark for anyone else.

food and drink.

ladders and things like that...

IMO this should still be a mid- to high-level spell.

[Shadowkami]

Yeah, that sounds about right. You could even make a house and paint the doors so only you could move from foom to room

[blacxthornE]

of course, no painting could be more powerful than what a wish spell could create. this spell should also have an XP cost, since making a painting real, even for just one person, should at least need some kinda power like that.

the material component is obvious: paint! but it could also have something like ... i dunno ... fairy dust? or some other fey thingy...

[Lyinginbedmon]

From a roleplaying point of view, wouldn't everyone else think that the painter is insane?

If it could paint anything then I think it'd be a bit too broken, it would make the perfect defense against virtually anything that couldn't break down the door

[Shadowkami]

You could make it so that you can set who it is real for, for example, selling fake gems or making a weapon that is a dagger, but is a powerful weapon against one particular species

[blacxthornE]

I don't know. I like the idea of being real and effective just for the painter. And, yes, sometimes people could think the painter is insane. That is the nice part, the painter can have things but sometimes make people suspicious, or he would have to use the "painting" in a way that doesn't look suspicious to those who don't see it... Like, holding a lamp with his hand on his side, not over the head.

The real question is, would the painting cause something that is not painted to appear? The lamp, for example, what if it falls on some haysack... Does it start a fire, real and effective for the painter only? The lamp is real alright, but the fire is not even painted (assuming that the painting shows the light only, not the fire itself)... What would a DM rule?

[Shadowkami]

interesting idea, i think it would be up to your dm, and what if you covered yourself or someone else in the paint?

[WoeTheSinner]

I think this paint could be a topic all in itself, but here is how I view it:

The paint I think would have to create an illusion, an illusion which the character chooses to believe. That way everything the paint does seems totaly real to him, but has no effect on anything else unless it fails a will save vs illusion. For example the character paints a giant flaming dancing axe of goblin killing +5...(btw explain to me how you paing a +5 weapon as oposed to a -5 weapon or a nomal weapon)...he then tries to smack a goblin with it, but this is Grumidj golblin mentalist and he makes the will save (DC=15) and proceeds to beat the character sensless.

On that note i think it would be really subjective as far as painting magical things goes...I mean how do you paint a magic lamp and not have it look like a regular lamp? I guess there are some effects you can paint but I think it would make the paint easier to create and less crazy if you could only paint mundane, un-animated things

[blacxthornE]

(creepiness)

I did think about that --I just went astray when I tried to reinterpret the whole "only to the painter" thing. I think a paint of illusion makes much more sense than a paint of construction.

[Shadowkami]

If it is an ilusion, the it doesnt matter if it is +5 or not, as long as you belive in it, if you can persuade people that it is a +100 flaming chainsaw, the to them, it will be.