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Okay, okay... Now please can anyone tell me... How is the half-orc base race even remotely equivalent to any of the other races in balancing? Has any of you thought about it?
Half-Orcs and game balance
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Posted 31 March 2005 - 01:23 PM
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Posted 31 March 2005 - 03:34 PM
I'ts a little on the low side...they get +2 strength in exchange for -2 int and char, and also illiteracy unless they spend 2 skill points. I think they made the race a little underpowered to keep everyone from choosing it for strength...and to keep humans usefull.
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Posted 31 March 2005 - 04:44 PM
That is true, in total their ability modifiers come to -2 unlike any other standard race (Who all come to 0). Abnormal abilities aside, they are in actuality weaker than the other races
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Posted 31 March 2005 - 06:30 PM
I agree.
This is one of the reasons I have never played a half-orc (although I have had fiends that have)
The Frogotten Realms version of the wood elf is the same way.
Half-orcs did not receive illiteracy in 3.0 or 3.5. Literacy is based on career choice (class) and (possbly) background. Don't confuse the race with thier favored class, barbarian.
This is one of the reasons I have never played a half-orc (although I have had fiends that have)
The Frogotten Realms version of the wood elf is the same way.
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Posted 31 March 2005 - 06:37 PM
It's true that their overall ability score adjustments is -2, but consider what scores those changes are going into. Half-Orcs are meant for players that want to play something a little barbaric. -1 skill pt and -1 to Cha checks/skills means pretty much nothing to most Half-Orcs, while that extra +1 attack, damage does.
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Posted 31 March 2005 - 06:47 PM
Also consider that puts them closer to the godly 18 Strength with a +4 modifier and a +6 damage with a 2-handed weapon, and still they could start with a mighty 20! being capable of an earth-shaking 22 strenght at level 8! for a +9 damage alone!, without considering they could be taking classes in barbarian and all the magic equipment out there 
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Posted 31 March 2005 - 07:27 PM
If you want a high Strength score, then just go with Stone Giant. They get a +16 to Strength, plus the normal maximum of 18 makes a grand total of 34 and a +12 bonus at 1st Level!
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Posted 31 March 2005 - 07:36 PM
eehhh....what about level adjustment? if it werent for that what stops me of playing a Balor or something like that? 
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Posted 31 March 2005 - 07:58 PM
Perhaps the fact that Balors aren't playable creatures? Whilst Hill Giants and Stone Giants are?
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Posted 31 March 2005 - 08:07 PM
Lyinginbedmon, on Mar 31 2005, 07:58 PM, said:
Perhaps the fact that Balors aren't playable creatures? Whilst Hill Giants and Stone Giants are?
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Posted 31 March 2005 - 09:07 PM
half orc are really only suited for barbarians...i know fighter technicaly works too, but in my book fighters should have some intelligence to leran their craft...but thats just me...
i don't really think that they are unballanced but meh...they can see in the dark...that can be a very big deal....but mostly me just like to bash...half orf barbarian/sorc/dragon disciple can get some crazy str btw
i don't really think that they are unballanced but meh...they can see in the dark...that can be a very big deal....but mostly me just like to bash...half orf barbarian/sorc/dragon disciple can get some crazy str btw
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Posted 31 March 2005 - 09:13 PM
I wanna be one of Woe's Pit Balors from one of the older topics 
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Posted 31 March 2005 - 09:15 PM
Btw.. Stone Giant only has Level adjustment of +5... yet they start with FOURTEEN levels of giant. Have FIVE starting feats... etc... Str +16 Con +8 Dex +2 and some others... they really just.. own. But Cloud Giants are playable characters, they just don't list LA/stats/etc for them..
Honestly, I think any of the phb races are severely crippled compared to ones in the MM.
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Honestly, I think any of the phb races are severely crippled compared to ones in the MM.
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Posted 31 March 2005 - 09:26 PM
I personally would change that to just a plain +2 str -2 cha, if the race's history was just.
I like the version of the orc race using in the Morrowind game. They're not just senseless barbarian, they're a well respected race famed for their military techniques and their fine armor crafting. They're stronger than the comon races and don't look as good but there's no reason for them to be any stupider
I like the version of the orc race using in the Morrowind game. They're not just senseless barbarian, they're a well respected race famed for their military techniques and their fine armor crafting. They're stronger than the comon races and don't look as good but there's no reason for them to be any stupider
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